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    Posted: 04 Nov 2009 at 9:08am

Can a ptf refuse to "help out" in another office if they do not want to. To make a long story short this ptf gets screwed every time she is sent to this particular office and has had enough. She refuses to go any more. The Sup tells her she wont have to go but the other office wont stop calling for her. Keep in mind this person is used in her main office most all of the time any way.  Can a ptf get in trouble for refusing to work in this office and can someone go over the supervisors head and make this girl work in their office?
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I'm pretty sure you can request a written order that must give you 60 days advance notice before working another office. At least that's what I was told, but I chose not to go that route. Also, if  they are senior PTF they do not have to work other offices.


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If the supervisor tells her she doesn't have to go, that's it.

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If you volunteer to go to another office then you stand the chance of losing seniority in your office. If mandated to go you retain your seniority. There are other circumstances, Article 8 for instance, that can force the issue, but it would be up to the Union to prove it. Tell her to talk to her steward.
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Posts: 89 		Post Options Post Options   Quote CalzoneSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2009 at 4:10pm
just go one day and scare them

first thing she should ask is what is a relay box
leave station without her keys
miss msp points
come back after 5
get lost

heh
simple solutions u know
keep acting like super carrier and ofcourse they're gona keep asking for you

make them regret requesting you
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Are you working in a city operation or working at an Associate Office.  If you are a PTF I would not refuse anything until you talk to your Union Steward; it does not take 60 days to assign a PTF to another office and in the City, PTF's go where they need them.  In an Associate Office if her supervisor tells her she does not have to go, why is she going? and with all the problems with the PO and the economy in general why are you giving this PTF such advise.  She has a Union Steward, she can file a grievance, but never, never, ever refuse an order from your supervisor unless it is illegal, or inmoral; and why does she go if her supervisor tells her she does not have to.  You can be fired for refusing a direct order!

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Posts: 110 		Post Options Post Options   Quote parafrog8654 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2009 at 10:10pm
thank you lucky chickens.
 
i use to work 50 hours a week at my station.  then they cut my hours down to 7 a week.
( 3 hour handicap rule)
 
so i was getting 40 working other offices. now those ptf's at those other offices are filling grievs against me so i starve.
 
i dont understand why you dont want to work?
 
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Posts: 257 		Post Options Post Options   Quote saturneptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2009 at 11:39pm

You had better take Postal Wiz's advice.  I retired last week after 36 years, and her post rings true.  An assoicate office is almost always voluntary.  However, in today's economy and the situation the Post Office is in, why would you not take every chance to work.  You have better take every advantage under this contract.  You are likely to find a world after the one next year you have never seen before.  The supervisors in your home office are the ones with authority over you.  Never refuse an order.  Do it and file a grievance. 

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Posts: 107 		Post Options Post Options   Quote macknrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2009 at 5:41am
This girl always goes when she is told to but hates every minute of it. They last time they were begging for her she walks in and a ptf who is clerking was standing there in civilian clothes. If they are hurting so bad for people they need to dress her first (but then that clerk would grieve it i guess). And believe me my friend gets a ton of hours at her regular office and another office that uses her about twice a week.  The office that keeps calling for her she use to orginally work for. She was hired in there then transfered. Now they know she is a good carrier and wont leave her alone. If they find out she will be getting off early they will call for her to come over and help them out  when they have a ptf who her needs to get her clerk hours in so they try to use my friend first. When my friend first started there they had a another ptf who instead of splitting the hours with her, went to the post master and whined that she need the time because her husband didnt have a job. So the postmaster used my friend to keep her from going into over time and never trained her on all the routes. Things were just never fair at this office and she does not want to give them the satisfaction of going back and helping out.
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Posts: 3043 		Post Options Post Options   Quote postalwiz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2009 at 1:22pm
I remember the first advise I received in orientation 34 years ago.  The Post Office is not offering
you a bed of roses, is offering you a job & benefits and a paycheck  Doing 8 hours of work for 8 hours of pay will keep you safe; do not abuse sick leave; follow the instructions of your supervisors and
you will have a long career with the PO.
 
If your friend (which I take it is a carrier) is not happy with being loaned out to another office
where she transferred from 1) Union Steward in that office should be filing a grievance if she
is taking hours from the other PTF's in the Office 2) File a grievance at the office she is at;
but personally if they can spare her to help another office as a PTF, Management still has
the right to manage; but I would never refuse an order from a Supervisor or Manager and
specially as a PTF as probably her PM is following orders from above.  There are quite a few
employees out there complaining as to not working enough hours and enough people
hoping that they will be hired and quite a few in the Unemployment lines, so please
do not jeopardize your job by thinking that you have anything to gain by taking a stand
of refusing instructions from your PM or Supervisor.
 
 
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